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On 2017-01-27 07:24:43Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Hello,

I noticed while trying to attack some plunderers that if they are in a team you cannot target them, and they have noticed this as well. So, they are staying in a team or some such all day, immune to being attacked. This is nonsense and needs to be taken care of with haste otherwise their is virtually ZERO repercussions for plundering. They need to either still be eligible to be attacked while in a team, or unable to join teams until such a time that they no longer have a red name. Otherwise they have a free pass to plunder without worry of being attacked.

Additionally, plunder seems o be favored due to the low risk associated with it, simply losing coins. I believe it would be fair to have them lose 10 coupons each time they are attacked and lose, as whomever they plunder, if im correct, also loses out on some coupons.



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On 2017-01-27 07:28:25Show this Author Only
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dont quote me on this, i heard that u can team up aswell to attack those plunderer/red nickname
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On 2017-01-27 07:37:46Show this Author Only
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So..i had people in my server does the same..its easy..if they are alone..just create a team and u can plunder them..if they are in a team..then go ahead and invite ur friends to plunder them
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On 2017-01-27 08:06:52Show this Author Only
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Hey


We're looking into it.
It's an exploit that shouldn't allow the Plunder to hide under status.

Also, I would have to disagree with the "Low Risks" when concerning plunders.
Losing a match and not receiving anything is already a *. The game wouldn't take away coupons from players due to loss.
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On 2017-01-27 08:15:32Show this Author Only
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  • Tobei On 2017-01-27 08:06:52
  • Hey


    We're looking into it.
    It's an exploit that shouldn't allow the Plunder to hide under status.

    Also, I would have to disagree with the "Low Risks" when concerning plunders.
    Losing a match and not receiving anything is already a *. The game wouldn't take away coupons from players due to loss.
On one hand, i agree, on the other hand, I dont and here is why.

If you are plundering, odds are you are looking for weaker players that you will have minimal issue defeating to begin with, otherwise you run the risk of getting nothing. So, why would you risk attacking someone capable of defeating you?
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On 2017-01-27 08:23:33Show this Author Only
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  • LargeBoy On 2017-01-27 08:15:32
  • On one hand, i agree, on the other hand, I dont and here is why.

    If you are plundering, odds are you are looking for weaker players that you will have minimal issue defeating to begin with, otherwise you run the risk of getting nothing. So, why would you risk attacking someone capable of defeating you?
Due to support, Plunders don't know opponents. If they spot someone weaker, the odds are they're running with a higher level support (Should be)

Facing someone of equal if not stronger.
Naturally, people can get impatient, however, it's heavily suggested that lower level players run with higher level supports.
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On 2017-01-27 08:26:48Show this Author Only
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BE that as it may, you A) dont always get support from high level players B) May not have any in your group to begin with C) High level players have already used their supports.
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On 2017-01-27 08:39:28Show this Author Only
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While you may lose half of the coupons, 30 becomes 15, the plunderer gets 50 coupons, and you can only lose 150k coins from plundering, it's good "Deal" for the plunderer.

However, only the top 50 people can plunder, which they can choose not to plunder, then they won't be wanted, and gain 30 coupons max. And some people in the top 50 might be inactive as well, which reduces the amount. But remember that you c*ways ask someone to help you when it comes to that, if you're in a big group, there's nothing lost from asking someone to help * you, and then the plunderer gets nothing if the * or you beat them, and they become wanted, I think. Just have everyone ask for help with only their SS, and they have higher hopes of not being robbed.
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On 2017-01-27 09:25:20Show this Author Only
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I did not even mentioned the bonus SS missions for ingots. Why would anyone bother with that if they can lose coupons? I would expect that if im paying money for these, id better keep all the coupons. I cant confirm if you do or dont, but i suspect even if you buy extra SS misions you can lose some of those as well, which is nonsense.
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On 2017-01-28 05:10:41Show this Author Only
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  • Adrian Martin On 2017-01-27 07:28:25
  • dont quote me on this, i heard that u can team up aswell to attack those plunderer/red nickname
I actually just tested this and if a plunderer is "hiding" in Team Status, you can form your own team and attack him. As long as you both are in Team Status, the plunderer can be attacked. Below is a Screen Shot of the result between an attacker and me, a ninja in "Wanted Status". Since I didn't have permission from the other player, I censored his name out of privacy. But, he did say that full 3v3 team battles can occur between plunderers and attackers, something I have not tested, but plan to.


This is to prove that both he and I were in "Team Status" when the attack occurred. Again, I censored his name, due to privacy.



This is the message I got from losing the plunder. I censored his name, but wanted to include what was said, so that you could see that we were in a fight. I also included the System Notice I got after losing to prove that this was an attack on a plunderer event, and not a free duel.

Hope this can clear up some issues with the plunder mechanics! ^^
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On 2017-01-28 08:15:36Show this Author Only
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  • Tobei On 2017-01-27 08:23:33
  • Due to support, Plunders don't know opponents. If they spot someone weaker, the odds are they're running with a higher level support (Should be)

    Facing someone of equal if not stronger.
    Naturally, people can get impatient, however, it's heavily suggested that lower level players run with higher level supports.
Would you mind actually find out just how "risky" plunder is and have someone look into the logs just what % of plunders who actually perform 3 SS plunder daily gets less than 100, 50 and 30 coupons per day on average over at least 10 days?

I honestly cannot believe that there would be any significant showing for the two lower benchmarks, frankly plunderers have quite a bit of advantage considering the way support works--it really isn't effective.
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On 2017-01-28 08:57:17Show this Author Only
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  • Kfactor5953 On 2017-01-28 05:10:41
  • I actually just tested this and if a plunderer is "hiding" in Team Status, you can form your own team and attack him. As long as you both are in Team Status, the plunderer can be attacked. Below is a Screen Shot of the result between an attacker and me, a ninja in "Wanted Status". Since I didn't have permission from the other player, I censored his name out of privacy. But, he did say that full 3v3 team battles can occur between plunderers and attackers, something I have not tested, but plan to.


    This is to prove that both he and I were in "Team Status" when the attack occurred. Again, I censored his name, due to privacy.



    This is the message I got from losing the plunder. I censored his name, but wanted to include what was said, so that you could see that we were in a fight. I also included the System Notice I got after losing to prove that this was an attack on a plunderer event, and not a free duel.

    Hope this can clear up some issues with the plunder mechanics! ^^
If you are in a team as plunderer, but your team capitain is not red, there is no way to attack you.
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On 2017-01-28 09:26:58Show this Author Only
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yeh ive run into this on my server gets annoying when there hiding in another team
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On 2017-01-28 09:27:34Show this Author Only
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-01-28 08:15:36
  • Would you mind actually find out just how "risky" plunder is and have someone look into the logs just what % of plunders who actually perform 3 SS plunder daily gets less than 100, 50 and 30 coupons per day on average over at least 10 days?

    I honestly cannot believe that there would be any significant showing for the two lower benchmarks, frankly plunderers have quite a bit of advantage considering the way support works--it really isn't effective.
Only percentage logs that would be accurate without inflation, would be from S1 and S2.
But that's not the premise.

It's the risk factor, Which isn't arguable. It's there.
Just like the fact that Plundering has better rewards.


Anyway,

Kfactor5953 explained a way to combat players hiding under team status.
We're still looking into it, to see if we can potentially do something about it.

If anybody has further questions/debates, feel free to PM me.
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