There will always be people that can P2W above any possible F2P player can hope to achieve, but a smart F2P will beat out the 99% of dumb P2W players.

Most P2W don't even use their resources well wasting them on getting more and more ninjas rather than building power, these people can be caught and passed quite easily. Also one of the biggest limiters for F2P to compete with p2w was the lack of options to get Medium Threads, well SA now gives Medium Threads, so although at a slower rate you can't use taht as an excuse.

There are many F2P players that are among the top of their servers and that's all you can ask for as even P2W players have to compete vs people with bigger budgets than their own.

Well, people do like ninjas, so if someones p2w and likes to have ninjas and power, there is nothing wrong with it. If they don't mind losing then they're the better person. They play how they want too, if they want to win, then focus on power.

yah like me, but when they recharge $1000 - $20k i just get lose now, hahahaha so sad;P;P

That's facts

The game is definitly P2W. However the term gets thrown around rather loosely. World Of Warcraft is also p2w, you buy ingame gold, you can then buy items from Auction. Diablo 3 was the same.
In almost any game, minus a straight up comp shooter such as call of duty,battlefield, etc. most games now are p2w.

However take note, that the idea of games becoming more and more p2w is because before this all games cost money, would i rather we just pay a flat fee of 50$ plus 10 a month? yes, however people want to play for free, and this type of game exists and flourishes now. It is what it is.

The important question is can the game be fun if you only put in 10-20$ or is it complete crap? that..depends on the person, a true p2w (ONLY) game is one that wouldn't even give you free ninjas after naruto/sakura/sasuke. thats when the term got used primarily. So there you go ^_^

Thats not true that if a game is not p2w gives you nothing.It can give you items with time limitation or items that are not so strong.Also there are several games f2p that give you virtual pleasure as csgo,league of legends,dota etc that dont change your actual gameplay. This post was last edited by Copy Ninja at 2017-1-21 04:18

Where's problem with p2w players? :o

Ignor them. They will win? :L They will. W/e, if they pay 20k$, they should win, lol.

1-3 p2w clowns on server doesn't kill ur f2p vs f2p challeng in most events =/

I really think it's based upon luck because in my experience I can pay 200 dollars and still get nothing so it's like it depends on how lucky you are.

At the end of the day, although I envy p2w players, getting all the cool Ninjas and being all powerful and stuff, while some f2p players complain here and there.

I would like to still thank these p2w players, its still them funding the game developers. Complain and argue till the cows come home, but we need them to keep paying to allow us free players to play. ;P

I feel the same way actually. P2W players keep this game going, I don't think I should be considered pay to win considering my luck and my results before level 80 but it's always good to donate because we will always have money to do whatever it is that need to be handled. I love donating money because I know someday it will all not just so much rewarded but acknowledged. This post was last edited by LegendaryUchiha at 2017-1-21 18:15

This is completely irrelevant, but this thread reminded me of one of the heavy pay to win players in my server. He is the 3rd strongest gets so mad when he loses to the top 1st and 2nd players and I find that absolutely hilarious. Being able to beat 99% of the server, but become absolutely irate when losing a match or two. xD