But what are we supposed to DO with survival coins?
I've all of the at 5 star, I've been buying lee for refinement, I have almost 80k stocked up.
I mean if they actually sold anything remotely useful like stamina pot in ALL the other shop, it would be different, but here we have cult runes, I have enough to max at least 40 ninjas(counting the 25 I have maxed), that's ridiculous.
And then BBQ, I have enough food to literally max level all my ninjas.
Am I supposed to ALSO buy kabuto or something for refinement? that's horrible....

Not entirely sure rushing how when even ftp can cap.

Granted, i never really liked the fact that level cap is increased for all servers at the same time, because of newer servers it IS rushing it. But for older servers where ftp threaten to instant re-cap (should the extra exp be kept), it would be ridiculous (I suspect only around 400% exp is required if next cap is 90, going rest of the way with new missions shouldn't be hard)

They also announced ch.10 plot missions in 2.0, which is completely moot until cap increase, so I suspect it is in the works.

That said, despite being a capped ftp, I'm not eager for cap increase, for the sole reason of awakening mats. It takes days to farm out enough mats to max one, so... no hurry.... Give me another month and I'll have all my ranked/masuri/SA/fox ninja max awakened (currently at 17/28 max awaken, thou up to 5 of the 28 I might ditch and not worrying about them much)

What are you? hard of reading? I said in the very post you quoted that I've been getting lee for refinement. As it stands, it takes 30k survival points to get 10 iruka frags, which makes it quite exotic a price.

But in any case, I AM doing refinement... and still building up.
As it were, I can only buy lee twice a day, which cost 1k, but I get 1300, so I'm still growing by 300 a day at least, provided that I don't miss a refresh. The reason I'm reluctant to do kabuto too is because kabuto frags are worse less refinement points and cost the same, making it a worse deal for that conversion.
In any case, my survival stock is MORE than enough to get a 2 star iruka as well, so that point is moot. Unless you expect it reasonable to keep the exchange up until a 3 star, or even higher, iruka, it's STILL beyond the point when SOMETHING should be added to survival ship.

Now, while Konan would be nice and was always the item of consideration, personally I am beyond caring what it is as long as it is useful. I'll gladly take purification runes, advanced threads(I'm still on rank 3, thou I can rank 4 anytime, just waiting for BA rebate, so I don't even have immediate need of adv thread) etc. Like I said, part of the problem of the survival shop build up is due to lack of useful items, all other shop have stamina pot (thou arena only on sundays), refine runes etc, which is what I have been getting since I've 5 star most of the stuff (and can't be bothered to go beyond 3/4 on the 1500 ones as I use none of them). Survival shop just lack a long term dump that even adding Konan won't fix--in a month and a half, we'd be back where we started w/ just Konan.

http://forum.naruto.oasgames.com/en/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=11896&pid=78262&fromuid=27049
Welt, I'm gonna blame it on the guy who made that post....

Not that it affect me, f2p 4ever

Huh, you are right.
Now I'm confused on how the frag values are assigned, I thought that it was based on the lowest star a ninja can be, with 1 star being 10, 2 star being 5 and 3 star being 2--this would make sense in terms of getting full drop from either a seal pull or survival, the higher the star the more you get at once so it need to have lower value per frag.
Kabuto I thought didn't start at 1 star....

So how are the values assigned?